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Old 05-02-2024, 07:25 AM
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I always need the smallest or next to smallest frame size. I've got a lot of experience with bikes having a HTA around 71 degrees and plenty of trail. It's simply not a problem that if even noticed, is easy to get accustomed to.

Reach is reach and shouldn't be confused by stem length. Straight bar bikes and mountain bikes may have a long reach, but that should be expected, since there's no added handlebar reach or brake hood reach.

A bike having a relatively short stem as delivered is common, since most buyers of stock frames don't want an overly aggressive position. That has nothing to do with the frame reach, since it's easy to change, unless the bike has integrated bars. Then the dealer needs to change them out, along with longer brake hoses.
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